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We can convince ITV HD to support Blu-ray recording, says Panasonic

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Panasonic says that it is confident that it can persuade ITV HD to allow Freesat+ Blu-ray recorder owners to dub its hi-def programmes to Blu-ray. As HCC exclusively revealed last week, all ITV HD material is currently flagged Copy Never, regardless of age or content type. This means that while owners of Panasonic’s Blu-ray recorder can timeshift HD programmes to the hard drive, they are prohibited from copying the material to a Blu-ray media in hi-def form. This is in stark contrast to BBC HD which is currently flagged Copy Once, and should soon move to Copy Always.

Panasonic’s marketing manager David Preece told HCC: ‘We’re currently talking to ITV about this, along with Freesat, and hope to persuade them to move to a Copy Once position before the launch of our recorders on June 1.’ Preece admits that reaching out to the commercial broadcaster has been less straightforward than talking to the BBC, because of its different operating structure.

Dubbing Ten
The UK's situation digital recording scenario is very different from that in Japan, where Blu-ray recorders have already proved a huge commercial success. There, broadcasters adhere to a 'Dubbing Ten' system, which allows broadcast hi-def programmes to be copied up to ten times, using any combination of HDD and blank media.

If Panasonic is unsuccessful in convincing ITV HD to play BD ball, it could undermine the launch of Blu-ray recorders altogether. The general public is highly unlikely to buy into a recording technology that only works with certain channels. To read our exclusive first review of the DMR-BS850 (pictured below), click here.

What would really make Blu

What would really make Blu Ray Recorders useful would be if it has a HDMI or component input and could record from those inputs so that it could function the same way as DVD Recorders did. This would mean the people in the UK who get HD programming from Sky HD rather than Freeview (and who are a significant majority I suspect) would be able to connect their Sky HD into the Blu Ray Recorder and record from Sky HD to the recorder. Otherwise I don't see much use in these things especially at this price. What's the point paying £1,000 just to record from BBC HD, Channel 4 HD and ITV HD when what you really want to be able to record from is Sky Movies HD and Sky Sports HD?

But that would be sensible.

Let's face it. Premium TV content holders don't want you to do what you want with your recordings because as far as they're concerned, they're not yours at all. They are temporarily on loan. There's no way of getting stuff even off an SD Sky+ box without degrading the quality and Sky are very happy with that. They're certainly not going to push for a way for you to keep it in broadcast quality forever.

Market forces may demand this, but I doubt it. The vast majority of people are happy with the 160gb or so provided by their PVR and aren't bothered about keeping recordings long term.

Alan: Most people are now quite used to the 'PVR' model where they don't have to bother 'setting the VCR' and quite rightly so - it was horrible. The situation you describe (HDMI in on Blu-Ray recorder) would be a step backwards. But that's what you get when you standardise on something that had no foresight. If instead of HDMI we had some kind of high bandwidth networking (or maybe even as well as) like Gig-E then a separate recorder could record the transport stream from a receiver.

I'm daydreaming.

Dubbing Ten: What an

Dubbing Ten: What an excellent idea.

It's what the consumer wants and it still protects copyright. We'll never get this kind of logic here though.

Hi Def recording

Alan, Recording in HiDef anything was always going to be a problem here in the UK. Not so very long ago, we had a similar situation with a very advanced form of video, the successor(and backward compatible with) VHS...called D-VHS (digital) with 50Gb storageand HiDef ability.. it was truly phenominal, and that was some time back! It never worked out commercially because those VERY SAME people did not want us to have such a luxury, having a perfect copy forever! A limited number of pre-recorded movies were released on this format, and many a reviewer in this very magazine no doubt enjoyed films like Alien, if I recollect, in hi-def long before we had disc-based equivalents. The studios refused to release movies in this format, fearing copyright infringement and ease of overcoming copy-protection.
None had any kind of hi-def inputs, so that sealed its fate! The last I saw of this was just a couple of years ago,maybe 3, down London's Tottenham Court Road, where one of these imported from the USA was on sale, with blank tapes! (at an old client's of mine).
SKY certainly have no wish for you to record its HD movie channels and sport! They would argue that you can do this on a temporary "timeshifting" basis on their HD+ PVRs.... no matter HOW MANY of us may want to keep a programme permanently stored on a disc in HD!
If enough people banged on their door long and hard enough, the only possible compromise they would give is with a SKY+ BADGED version of a BD recorder.... and then with VERY limited functionality, no doubt the less sensitve content that they don't care about! Older movies, perhaps, non-HD channels!!!, that's the sort of thing they'd allow!!!!...AT BEST!
I'd forget about Sky for your dreams anytime soon, and HOPE, pray that FREESAT gets its act together, and gains MORE HD channels... where you will be able to use your Panasonic BD recorder! I personally would love one, but as I have a massive HD disc-based movie collection of over 772 discs (HD-DVD+Blu-ray) i am not in a hurry to get one simply because the BBC presently only show the occasional movie in HD, and according to their HD Boss, she says that policy won't change just yet. Channel 4 is a better bet for me, but THAT has still to show its face on Freesat... When enough people bang on at their door, maybe we'll see more HD content... but I doubt before 2012!!! ITV's LACK of real HD content has stopped me going the FREESAT route, as much as I REALLY wanted this... I already had BBC HD on a free-to-air Pace from 2006 (World Cup!)...
I finally chose SKY last November out of sheer desparation...as the only way forward for me, with my 65" plasma that YEARNS for HD content! But look at their price for the everything, and I still baulk! Pioneers they may be, but customer service, customer ANYTHING is NOT in their vocabulary! We are officially DENIED larger Hard Drives in our PVRs, and half of the capcity is LOCKED AWAY for their own use, namely ANYTIME tv!!!! Record 6 movies, or longer sporting events in HD, and you've got ZERO space remaining! ....AND PLENTY of folk HAVE screamed and kicked at their door about this! Sorry, Sky! But this IS a BAD joke!
So, don't expect Panasonic to get very far with this yet here in the Uk...there are many myths and fallacies they must destroy before the likes of Sky, the MAJOR force behind HD in this country,come on board willingly!
The lack of content for us to record onto a BD disc will make it a long, hard struggle to sell these machines... I definitely recoomend the 500GB flagship model, because HD will only look at its best in the highest recoding modes, although for less strenuous demands with lack of fast motion, the lower modes are suprisingly good. Avoid the smaller hard drives... you'll regret it later if you don't!... and I recommend that, unless you are very-well heeled, you wait for about 2 years, by which time those high prices will begin to fall AND there may be a LITTLE MORE to record on it... the the programmes that you want!

Great comment Michael

Great summary Michael and I have to agree. Panasonic and Freesat HD may be chipping away at Skys HD dominance but they are just chipping. Until Freeview can at least agree whether to show HD or not, and the rest of the UK is finally converted to digital only, we are leaving a vacuum where Sky can dominate. Whilst I am glad that Sky are providing the service and being poineers, more competition is required so a viable alternative can help to start push the technology and adoption forward.

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